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so they look ahead, they see 2010 and think if taxes do go up for the middle class, it will be john boehner, and the republicans to take the blame. >> well, that may be but who is it going to play that kind of bluffing game with the debt ceiling because that's when you really risk tremendous market reactions and peril. i know you talked about david petraeus, and the whole foreign policy issue last night on charlie, martha, but do you-- t me ask you again, do you take seriously the notion that john kerry could be defense secretary? >> i think that was a trial balloon. >> you do? >> i 19, clearly both of those stories were trial balloons. president obama, obviously, took it a little further, quite a bit further today talking about susan rice. it was no longer a trial balloon. but i think john kerry-- you know, is that a consolation prize? i think he's probably always wanted to be secretary of state. i'm not sure how that would go over at the pentagon. i mean, when you talk abo someon goi into-- as secretary of state, who maybe doesn't have the experience that some people want. i think on the
so they look ahead, they see 2010 and think if taxes do go up for the middle class, it will be john boehner, and the republicans to take the blame. >> well, that may be but who is it going to play that kind of bluffing game with the debt ceiling because that's when you really risk tremendous market reactions and peril. i know you talked about david petraeus, and the whole foreign policy issue last night on charlie, martha, but do you-- t me ask you again, do you take seriously the notion...
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we saying to speaker boehner, here is what we need in revenue as part of a balanced plan. we think you get there by reagans the rates to the clinton era levels. we will look at it, we think the way to do it is to have the rate return for high income earners for clinton era levels. >>neil: is this guy creating a distraction for this guy? ♪ buy 5-hour energy pink lemonade and ♪ ♪ you can help others along the way. ♪ ♪ a portion of every bottle that they sell goes to fight ♪ ♪ breast cancer and i think that's swell. ♪ ♪ the more you take, the more they'll pay, ♪ ♪ so make them write a big check today. ♪ ♪ and if you're feeling a little slow, ♪ ♪ then 5-hour energy will help you go. ♪ ♪ so buy a bottle of pink lemonade and ♪ ♪ you can help fight breast cancer today. ♪ >>neil: a sex scandal ended this man's career, and how much could it affect this man's career, saying that c.i.a. new from day one benghazi attack was terrorism and the white house said otherwise. the ball is in the president's court the next move could make. >> the differe
we saying to speaker boehner, here is what we need in revenue as part of a balanced plan. we think you get there by reagans the rates to the clinton era levels. we will look at it, we think the way to do it is to have the rate return for high income earners for clinton era levels. >>neil: is this guy creating a distraction for this guy? ♪ buy 5-hour energy pink lemonade and ♪ ♪ you can help others along the way. ♪ ♪ a portion of every bottle that they sell goes to fight ♪ ♪...
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. >> we will get to the campaign and mitt romney in a minute, but first listen to what john boehner said after the election. >> mr. president, this is your moment. we are ready to be led. not as democrats or republicans, but as americans. let's rise above the this function and do the right thing for our country. >> later john maynard told diane sawyer he is the most reasonable, responsible person -- john boehner told diane sawyer he is the most reasonable, responsible person in washington and the president knows that. the fiscal cliff looms at the end of the year. will we reach a compromise before then, charles? >> i do not think it will be a comprehensive compromise. i think they will be able to patch something together. i think they will be able to agree on it true tax reform sometime next year. i think they will get passet the cliff if -- the cliff. if he insists on raising rates, he will be stymied. >> what is the message? >> it is a mixed message. i think we all agree the corner stone of the president from message is we raise taxes on those earning over $250,000. mitt romney pledged
. >> we will get to the campaign and mitt romney in a minute, but first listen to what john boehner said after the election. >> mr. president, this is your moment. we are ready to be led. not as democrats or republicans, but as americans. let's rise above the this function and do the right thing for our country. >> later john maynard told diane sawyer he is the most reasonable, responsible person -- john boehner told diane sawyer he is the most reasonable, responsible person...
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speaker boehner, topless or otherwise. joy reid, david corn, and bill cohen, thank you all. apologies to david for that offensive anal si. >>> coming up, congress is back, the fiscal cliff is near. will house republicans finally think of the good of the country and not the good of this guy? >> the president was committed -- elected on the basis that he was not romney and that romney was a poopy head and you should vote against romney. [ female announcer ] so how long have you been living flake-free with head & shoulders? since before jeans were this skinny... since us three got a haircut. since my first twenty-ninth birthday. [ female announcer ] head & shoulders. live flake free. without freshly-made pasta. you could also cut corners by making it without 100% real cheddar cheese. but then...it wouldn't be stouffer's mac & cheese. just one of over 70 satisfying recipes for one from stouffer's. >>> well, count grover norquist among the walking wounded after last week's election because a new report says the man responsible for the infamous anti-tax pledge doesn't have the sam
speaker boehner, topless or otherwise. joy reid, david corn, and bill cohen, thank you all. apologies to david for that offensive anal si. >>> coming up, congress is back, the fiscal cliff is near. will house republicans finally think of the good of the country and not the good of this guy? >> the president was committed -- elected on the basis that he was not romney and that romney was a poopy head and you should vote against romney. [ female announcer ] so how long have you...
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john boehner is pulled by two groups. one he does not want to be obstructionist not to allow tax cuts for lower group to go through and doesn't want tax cuts to go through. he is pulled on that side and by his own party. what i hope is that the vast majority of the republicans hold true and if some of the republicans peel off, i would, that would be fine. if they pushed through obama's bill, but i do not want to see them punished. but the republicans need to have this position for 2014 and the rest of 2013 when the economy goes in the garbage dump. republicans are right. bill: two more quick questions on this. >> sure. bill: when these congressional leaders speak, what sort of code words should we be listening for today? >> well i don't know what they would say to each other but on the outside, using the word rates left revenues and that type of stuff are code words especially coming from the president. if he talks about raising revenues and does not insist on it being rates there is a good compromise possible. if he forc
john boehner is pulled by two groups. one he does not want to be obstructionist not to allow tax cuts for lower group to go through and doesn't want tax cuts to go through. he is pulled on that side and by his own party. what i hope is that the vast majority of the republicans hold true and if some of the republicans peel off, i would, that would be fine. if they pushed through obama's bill, but i do not want to see them punished. but the republicans need to have this position for 2014 and the...
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boehner and mcconnell still in charge. although they did better and you could argue there's no reason. are you surprised there's not a push to change leaders inside your party even if it's just the face of the party a little bit? >> it's difficult. within the house there is -- i think there will be a battle for the conference chair. >> but it's a -- >> i'm surprised, yeah, but at the same time, we need strong leadership and a strong speaker and i think boehner can do a good job -- >> looks like he's going to get more political leeway. he doesn't have eric cantor. it seems like there's for trust between the two but, jackie, if the american people had known they not only were re-electing status quo but the same people are in the room that gave us the gridlock, i wonder how that ballot would have turned out. >> i wonder if he said it's going to be the same people in the room, and, you know, a lot of this is going to be theater. we were talking about that for the first couple of days, hopefully not weeks but there will be a lo
boehner and mcconnell still in charge. although they did better and you could argue there's no reason. are you surprised there's not a push to change leaders inside your party even if it's just the face of the party a little bit? >> it's difficult. within the house there is -- i think there will be a battle for the conference chair. >> but it's a -- >> i'm surprised, yeah, but at the same time, we need strong leadership and a strong speaker and i think boehner can do a good...
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both for president obama and for the house majority leader boehner. mitch mcconnell at least in public he tendses to look at president obama like a hitchhiker with pets or something. he doesn't want anything to do with him. if he continues to hold it, his first statement election night after president obama won, to say the least not very generous. >> not quite bipartisan. >> if mcconnell holds to that line, then big trouble for the obama agenda and for what boehner and others hoped to accomplish and big trouble for the country. some things you feel congress is so out of touch, i don't know how they could be after this election but, you know, there's out of date as these belt and slacks men used to wear. >> the metaphors are beautiful. >> belts and slacks. >> i love it. >> but i actually think there is a lot of truth there, which is they have the lowest approval rating historically. the obstructionism i don't think you can play it again for another two years. >> i think this is one where the members of the republican caucus in the senate have to let th
both for president obama and for the house majority leader boehner. mitch mcconnell at least in public he tendses to look at president obama like a hitchhiker with pets or something. he doesn't want anything to do with him. if he continues to hold it, his first statement election night after president obama won, to say the least not very generous. >> not quite bipartisan. >> if mcconnell holds to that line, then big trouble for the obama agenda and for what boehner and others hoped...
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gregg: so, steve is john boehner right or crystal right. >> john boehner gets an a in economics. he's precisely right. a large percentage of the income that barack obama wants to tax at the higher rate is small business income. the other part of it that the speaker didn't mention is the other big component of that income is investment income the money that the people put into the small businesses to create them in the first place. doug knows this very well that one of the big problems we have in the economy right now is businesses aren't inch investigating, they are not expand -lg your operations. can you think of a worst time to raise the tax rate on investment when investment went negative in the last quarter? if businesses are not investing they can't hire more workers and i agree with doug it could cause a ou double-dip recession. gregg: if you force higher income americans to pay more in taxes not through increasing their tax rates but rather closing the loopholes, deductions, credits and so on and so forth, that is still a net increase on that important sector. so how is th
gregg: so, steve is john boehner right or crystal right. >> john boehner gets an a in economics. he's precisely right. a large percentage of the income that barack obama wants to tax at the higher rate is small business income. the other part of it that the speaker didn't mention is the other big component of that income is investment income the money that the people put into the small businesses to create them in the first place. doug knows this very well that one of the big problems we...
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but expect it will be john boehner working along with the president. i'm sure mitch mcconnell will be very closely involved in the discussions with leader boehner. >> you don't believe a deal should come out of the senate and then be introduced in the house? >> well, i think the elections are over. we need to find solutions to help our country move forward in a positive direction and as the chairman of the joint chiefs of staffs says the biggest threat to our national security is actually our debt. we need to get this spending under control and get people back to work. >> i want to talk about this issue of taxes and tax rates and get you to respond to something from not exactly someone who is known as a liberal thinker here. take a listen. >> it won't kill the country if we raise tax as little bit on millionaires. it really won't, i don't think. i don't know why republicans don't take obama's offer to freeze taxes for everyone below $250,000. make it $500,000, make it a million. the republican party is going to defend a bunch of millionaires, half of w
but expect it will be john boehner working along with the president. i'm sure mitch mcconnell will be very closely involved in the discussions with leader boehner. >> you don't believe a deal should come out of the senate and then be introduced in the house? >> well, i think the elections are over. we need to find solutions to help our country move forward in a positive direction and as the chairman of the joint chiefs of staffs says the biggest threat to our national security is...
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remember the talks about boehner and the negotiations on the debt ceiling. he got 98% of what he wanted. so the conversation used to be we will cut the deficit through spending cuts. now within the space of a week, the same people, glen hubbard who was romney's chief economic adviser slated to be the federal reserve head if romney had won has an op-ed in the financial times today saying the first thing we should do is focus on more revenues and the way to get that is from capping deductions for the wealthy. so it's extraordinary the shape of the the rhetoric that's coming from republicans in the the last week has really changed a great deal. i think they recognize, even if obama doesn't recognize and even if most centrist democrats don't recognize it, they hold all the cards here. >> so who's the god you're referring to there? >> grover norquist? i'd say it's more a collection of dayties who said the first -- >> but that's the point. republican leaders and some republican thought leaders might be coming around that we have a deal here. but the reason for the
remember the talks about boehner and the negotiations on the debt ceiling. he got 98% of what he wanted. so the conversation used to be we will cut the deficit through spending cuts. now within the space of a week, the same people, glen hubbard who was romney's chief economic adviser slated to be the federal reserve head if romney had won has an op-ed in the financial times today saying the first thing we should do is focus on more revenues and the way to get that is from capping deductions for...
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next, i love the '90s and why boehner and the boys should, too. stay with us. >> several states want to secede from the united states. >> leave the union. >> because 69 results of the election. it's so strange because i had many of those states on a list of states i would like to secede from the united states. i had proposed a bill to the congress. ♪ ♪ [ female announcer ] pop in a whole new kind of clean. with tide pods. a powerful three-in-one detergent that cleans. brightens. and fights stains just one removes more stains than the 6 next leading pacs combined pop in. stand out. without freshly-made pasta. you could also cut corners by making it without 100% real cheddar cheese. but then...it wouldn't be stouffer's mac & cheese. just one of over 70 satisfying recipes for one from stouffer's. constipated? yeah. mm. some laxatives like dulcolax can cause cramps. but phillips' caplets don't. they have magnesium. for effective relief of occasional constipation. thanks. [ phillips' lady ] live the regular life. phillips'. >>> the challenge facing
next, i love the '90s and why boehner and the boys should, too. stay with us. >> several states want to secede from the united states. >> leave the union. >> because 69 results of the election. it's so strange because i had many of those states on a list of states i would like to secede from the united states. i had proposed a bill to the congress. ♪ ♪ [ female announcer ] pop in a whole new kind of clean. with tide pods. a powerful three-in-one detergent that cleans....
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amount is likely far more than republicans would be willing to accept and double the amount that speaker boehner had offered the president during their debt negotiations last year. today, the president is scheduled to meet with ceos from a dozen companies among them general electric, ford and ibm. they'll discuss ways to work together and try to find a balanced approach to reducing the deficit. during a closed door meeting yesterday with union leaders and liberal supporters, president obama reportedly vowed that he would "not budge" when it comes to letting the bush tax cuts expire for the country's highest earners. labor leader and president of the afl-cio was among those at the white house meeting and says he and the president are right now on the same page, richard trumka. >> we're working to make sure we're not paying a tab for a party we didn't go to. the president led with the notion of protecting the middle class and now you have republicans that have it in their power and could sign a bill tomorrow that protects the middle class so we'll see what they can. are we going to push them on th
amount is likely far more than republicans would be willing to accept and double the amount that speaker boehner had offered the president during their debt negotiations last year. today, the president is scheduled to meet with ceos from a dozen companies among them general electric, ford and ibm. they'll discuss ways to work together and try to find a balanced approach to reducing the deficit. during a closed door meeting yesterday with union leaders and liberal supporters, president obama...
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house speaker john boehner says he believes they can reach a deal. >> i don't think anyone, on either side of the aisle under estimates the difficulty that faces us. but i do think the spirit of cooperation that you've seen over the last week from myself and my team, from democrats across the aisle, from the president, have created an atmosphere where i think that, i'm, i remain optimistic. i was born with a glass half-full. >> what i have told leaders privately as well as publicly, is that we can not afford to extend the bush tax cuts for the wealthy. what we can do is make sure that middle class taxes don't go up. 98% of americans are not going to see their taxes go up. 97% of small businesses are not going to see their taxes go up. if we get that in place, we are actually removing half of the fiscal cliff. martha: doug schoen, former pollster to president bill clinton. monica crowley, radio talk show host. both are fox news contributors and what i'm hearing through both of those quotes we're pretty much where we were the last time that the president and john boehner got together. t
house speaker john boehner says he believes they can reach a deal. >> i don't think anyone, on either side of the aisle under estimates the difficulty that faces us. but i do think the spirit of cooperation that you've seen over the last week from myself and my team, from democrats across the aisle, from the president, have created an atmosphere where i think that, i'm, i remain optimistic. i was born with a glass half-full. >> what i have told leaders privately as well as publicly,...
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. >> stephanie: you still you just mentioned john boehner. he is still insisting raising tax rates will destroy jobs. are they going to go back to these old talking points when the american people have spoken so clearly? >> caller: that's not going to work. i don't understand how he's capitulating. many people are trying to figure out whether he's been held captainive again by the tea party folks or whether or not he's going to lead. it's interesting in some of his pronouncements, he said it's time for the president to leave. no it's time for him to leave. he has literally been unable to lead his caucus. this fiscal cliff that we are about to embark on if we don't get changes particularly on that side of the aisle is going to be his responsibility more than anybody else. >> stephanie: i'm looking a the a graph right in front of me. small businesses grew twice as fast with clinton tax rates. that's what we're talking about, right? >> caller: absolutely. you look at how we ended up with, you know, no deficit, et cetera. you can't organs that. i
. >> stephanie: you still you just mentioned john boehner. he is still insisting raising tax rates will destroy jobs. are they going to go back to these old talking points when the american people have spoken so clearly? >> caller: that's not going to work. i don't understand how he's capitulating. many people are trying to figure out whether he's been held captainive again by the tea party folks or whether or not he's going to lead. it's interesting in some of his pronouncements,...
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speaker boehner, senator minority leader mitch mcconnell, paul ryan. all of them saying they will fight the president on taxes. all of them saying the president doesn't have a mandate. but president obama has something to say about that. >> i have one mandate. i have a mandate to help middle class families and families that are working hard to try to get into the middle class. that's my mandate. >> this is a clear message. it's what americans voted for a week ago. are you sure you want this fight, republicans? democrat from pennsylvania chuck fatah and ezra klein, msnbc policy analyst. he's writing about the fight over taxes today and the piece is called "the big question: how, not whether, to raise taxes." thank you for joining me tonight. >> thank you. >> good to be here. >> congressman, do you think republicans will make a deal or is this 2010 with the tea party all over again? >> well, what the public needs to understand is the income tax system is not fair to them. there is a report done by the congress each year by the joint committee on taxation
speaker boehner, senator minority leader mitch mcconnell, paul ryan. all of them saying they will fight the president on taxes. all of them saying the president doesn't have a mandate. but president obama has something to say about that. >> i have one mandate. i have a mandate to help middle class families and families that are working hard to try to get into the middle class. that's my mandate. >> this is a clear message. it's what americans voted for a week ago. are you sure you...
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. >> did anything that speaker boehner make you optimistic? was it just that urgency that you're talking about. >> well, it's the urgency but i think the spirit at the table was one of everybody wants to make the best effort to get this done. hopefully that is possible. hopefully it is possible by the middle of december so the confidence of the markets and most importantly the confidence of the consumers returns to infuse our economy with demand, which creates jobs. >> you said afterwards there would be these milestones of success. how will that work? what are the goals? are there interim goals? >> well, my suggestion was that we at some point not necessarily today decide on what our goal is in terms of the amount of deficit reduction that we can achieve, some date by which we'd like to do it, the middle of december so it doesn't take us up to christmas and milestones along the way so progress can be demonstrated we're moving in a forward direction. >> i spoke to senator michael bennet of colorado later. he said this really comes down to speak
. >> did anything that speaker boehner make you optimistic? was it just that urgency that you're talking about. >> well, it's the urgency but i think the spirit at the table was one of everybody wants to make the best effort to get this done. hopefully that is possible. hopefully it is possible by the middle of december so the confidence of the markets and most importantly the confidence of the consumers returns to infuse our economy with demand, which creates jobs. >> you...
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that's what speaker john boehner talked about, constructive, but there's also a lot of urgency. now, nancy pelosi, we have a lot more of this interview, a fascinating interview, told me she thought they could work out this deal in mid-december. i asked her, of course, look, we've heard optimism before and this went nowhere. but there is that urgency now. americans are sick of this. this is the second time around. >> and so overnight we saw -- we saw this video of david petraeus' alleged mistress, paula broadwell, his biographer walking with her husband. it's the first time we've seen the two of them since this scandal broke. so let me ask you about the petraeus affair, which i know you've been following so closely. where does this go now? what in your view is likely to be the next shoe to drop? >> well, i think what we've learned this week is this is not over. i think a week ago when we heard david petraeus say he was resigning because he had an extramarital affair, we thought it might go away. but every day it seems like there's something new. they're now looking through those
that's what speaker john boehner talked about, constructive, but there's also a lot of urgency. now, nancy pelosi, we have a lot more of this interview, a fascinating interview, told me she thought they could work out this deal in mid-december. i asked her, of course, look, we've heard optimism before and this went nowhere. but there is that urgency now. americans are sick of this. this is the second time around. >> and so overnight we saw -- we saw this video of david petraeus' alleged...
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what john boehner did was very, very shrewd. he said to the government, you have been silent on this. we are waiting for your recommendations. you want to make spending cuts? you are open to revenue abduction eliminations, you tell us, mr. president, what you would like. bill: boehner says they were close to doing it last time and the president lost his nerve. but both men are facing the possibility of crossing the threshold of history if they lock arms. >> there is so much uncertainty for businesses and individuals. the "wall street journal" had a report out yesterday saying there is so much uncertainty we could slip into another recession over this fiscal cliff. let's hope they can do their jobs for once. bill: you go find beckel, will you? >> it's not my turn to baby sit. we'll find him by 5:00. bill: it takes four you to baby sit him. to our viewers, have you got a question in e-mail us or on twitter @bill hemmer. this is coming up. we have dozens of house republicans formally opposing susan rice's nomination as secretary of
what john boehner did was very, very shrewd. he said to the government, you have been silent on this. we are waiting for your recommendations. you want to make spending cuts? you are open to revenue abduction eliminations, you tell us, mr. president, what you would like. bill: boehner says they were close to doing it last time and the president lost his nerve. but both men are facing the possibility of crossing the threshold of history if they lock arms. >> there is so much uncertainty...
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you have speaker boehner saying, let's get compromise. this is the time to bring that debt down. we seriously have to do it. i don't think anyone disputes that, but it has to be a mix of spending cuts and the revenue. and the one figure that i'd like to add here is how much revenue we get by just going back to the clinton levels at $250,000 and above. that's $700 billion in tenures. that's what draws people to that number when you add that in and then close some loopholes and subsidies and do the budget cuts, we have already done a trillion. you can get to the $4 trillion that most economists say would at least lead us to the path to reduce debt over ten years. >> because it is so much money and because it would be so relatively painless for people who have income above $250,000 to see that change go back, because bill crystal is saying this now, because the president is clear that's what he's running on, it feels that's clear that's within the realm of the possible. but what else didn't previously peel like it was in the realm of possible? >> i think immigration reform. i called
you have speaker boehner saying, let's get compromise. this is the time to bring that debt down. we seriously have to do it. i don't think anyone disputes that, but it has to be a mix of spending cuts and the revenue. and the one figure that i'd like to add here is how much revenue we get by just going back to the clinton levels at $250,000 and above. that's $700 billion in tenures. that's what draws people to that number when you add that in and then close some loopholes and subsidies and do...
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. >> reporter: diane sawyer asked speaker boehner if you were now the leader of the republican party and his answer was, oh, i wouldn't think so, paul ryan is a policy wonk. >> i take that as a great compliment from john. >> reporter: is that your role now, position wonk? >> i've always been one of the house policy wonks my role is to continue to be a champion of ideas and help our party be the reform party. >> reporter: ryan says he unplugged in the days after the campaign. he didn't even hear the news about david petraeus' resignation or questions about its timing until later. instead, he was hunting and spending time with his family. >> you know, the great thing about this last weekend i got to go to both mire boys' basketball games and two of my daughter's volleyball games. >> reporter: an upside to losing. >> reconnection with my family which we're a close family. people got to see our family. i'm excited about getting back to work here. >> reporter: paul ryan's three kids all are in lemonade school and saw a big up side to losing. they get to stay in their school. they were wor
. >> reporter: diane sawyer asked speaker boehner if you were now the leader of the republican party and his answer was, oh, i wouldn't think so, paul ryan is a policy wonk. >> i take that as a great compliment from john. >> reporter: is that your role now, position wonk? >> i've always been one of the house policy wonks my role is to continue to be a champion of ideas and help our party be the reform party. >> reporter: ryan says he unplugged in the days after the...
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john boehner was just down there at the white house on friday, it's the beginning. we want to show him if he wants to gain revenues we are more than willing to talk about closing and limiting loopholes. bill: which loophole would you close? >> we'll sit down and lay them all on the table. there are a lot of ways you can go through. we have to have reforms. what you need to do too, the structural change. you have to have structural change otherwise you're going to continue to this trillion dollar deficits sthao based on your experience in working with president obama is he willing to go for significant tax reform, change the whole problem? that would be historical. >> we will not get out of this mess without growing this economy, and the only way to do that is to have structural reform and tax reform. this isn't something that republicans have sat back on. we have passed legislation already that sets up the framework to have tax ry reform. we've passed it to take away the sequestration that he says in the debate will not happen. bee have already passed that in the ho
john boehner was just down there at the white house on friday, it's the beginning. we want to show him if he wants to gain revenues we are more than willing to talk about closing and limiting loopholes. bill: which loophole would you close? >> we'll sit down and lay them all on the table. there are a lot of ways you can go through. we have to have reforms. what you need to do too, the structural change. you have to have structural change otherwise you're going to continue to this trillion...